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gsr vs. ls/vtec?
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Posted: 05/10/09 09:46 PM
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alright here is my dilemma. I am trying to choose between these 2 engines. I have a integra DA and I want to swap it. I am able to get a gsr(installed w/labor) for $3200. Or I can get the ls/vtec for $3500. which between the engines would get me more bang for my buck? Which motor could I build up to have the most horsepower w/out turbo or adding N2O that is w/in my price range? I have $6,000 saved up and am undecided which to get. Some help would be greatly appreciated
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noslen
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Posted: 05/11/09 05:21 AM
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We'll first I think the labor is being too expensive counting your just paying for installation of a new engine and ECU without aftermarket racing parts on it that is alredy a bolt-on on your car. This because the engine and ECU is not supposed to cost more than 1,500 if GSR stock. But non vtech block with just High comp. pistons on it and a vtech head is supposed to make more power than stock GSR. The stroke would be higher.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/11/09 05:25 AM
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This because I assume you already have a tranny on your car and a good clutch and disc should be about 350.00 more bucks.
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Posted: 05/11/09 04:56 PM
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Actually I was going to get the whole swap for that price(gsr).
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Posted: 05/11/09 05:03 PM
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Cant a gsr take more? like is it more reliable of an engine that can be built up and you don't have to worry? Because I want something that can beat atleast a mustang gt or sumthing like that. Well basically something fast enough to beat alot of street cars.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/12/09 12:05 PM
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For that I can only say h22a with intake, valve train components, cams, sprockets, injectors and a good header. I'm going with that this summer on my 95 Integra. Some people don't like this engines and I don't blame them, they're are a little more complicated, but sometimes even cheaper than B18s. Mine is an h22a4 with h22a pistons for the short block. The thing is a little more work in the swap and adaptation of the tranny cables, plus mounts. But h22a4s come with 200hp to the flywheel thats why I'm going that way. And with K swaps around, this is a cheaper way to match them at the street and track with thousands less. A b series with 225whp N/A would almost be at its maximun. H22 hybrids can do 250 or more fine tuned.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/12/09 12:07 PM
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I chose that cause I'm looking for power without boost, maybe nitrous.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/12/09 12:17 PM
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Thing is GSRs come with flat pistons and a great head. So anyway you'll need to open it for higher pistons like type-R or civics type=R ones that are higher. Even B16 pistons are higher in compression than integras type-R ones. With this in a GSR and good head work and components in combination with good externals on the engine, your supposed to be near or on the 200ds adding a good tranny like B16s or Int. type-R ones or GSR.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/12/09 12:26 PM
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I knew a guy who had a non vtech b series short block with type r pistons balanced, type r head just with sprockets and skunk2 bolt-ons and stuff and was making 214whp and I think the tranny was for non-vtech as it was part of this rs 92 4 door integra he prepared with the above mentioned that was abandoned down a tree on his aunts house for being old and maybe in need of some tune-up. All he added was pistons and head changes and the usual externals as I said.
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noslen
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Posted: 05/12/09 12:27 PM
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But as I said too, this engines was to be at its maximun but in ran good.
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Posted: 05/13/09 10:37 AM
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my ls/vtec swap cost me 2800 with labor. and i bought most the parts myself
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noslen
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Posted: 05/13/09 03:01 PM
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That's why I'm saying 3,500 for the swap its too much, but that's my opinion.
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Posted: 05/18/09 11:08 PM
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ok thanx...im jus gon 2 keep doing research and c wat comes up. but supposedly there is a shop that will get tha engine and install in for a total price or $2800... but yea thanx again. it was very informative.
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dasquad93
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Posted: 07/05/09 07:58 PM
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go gsr... vtec is overrated and over half my friends that run ls vetc they tend to be workin on there engines more then drivin them...
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ToyCivic
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Posted: 07/05/09 10:26 PM
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If you have 6,000 to spend, get a GSR motor and stuff an LS crank and rods mated to VTEC pistons of your choosing into the motor. The only real benefit to LS/VTEC is the extra stroke of the LS crank (89mm) to the stroke of the GSR crank (87.2mm). I know 1.8 mm does not sound like much, but on a Honda motor, the difference is pretty major in the torque and HP department.
The only reason LS/VTEC exists is because those with less money wanted VTEC and did the basic conversion with the motor in the car with oil lines, VTEC head, etc. Problem is the poor mans way leads to problems. A properly built LS/VTEC requires the removal and rebuild of the motor. You might as well find a GSR VTEC block if going that far.
Another disadvantage to LS/VTEC is for those who live in California. 1.8L LS/VTEC and 2.0 CR/VTEC are not smog legal. People risk getting thier hood popped by law enforcement and getting sent to the smog ref. If you can't pass smog, you cannot register the car in California.
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